Return-Path: Received: from ohmx01.mgw.rr.com ([65.24.0.111]) by pop-server.columbus.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:36:25 -0400 Received: from 4h133254.aspadmin.net (4h133254.aspadmin.net [209.126.133.254]) by ohmx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6BEaOCE021380; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dualprocessor (dhcp9592125.columbus.rr.com [24.95.92.125]) by 4h133254.aspadmin.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6BEfsC26164; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:41:54 -0700 Message-ID: <008f01c228ea$010eca40$6401a8c0@dualprocessor> From: "Peter John Ross" To: "Little Johnny Mader" , "Kevin Carr" , "Kelly Carr" , "Chris Alexis" Cc: <7m@7mpictures.com> Subject: a question mark (?) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:48:09 -0400 Organization: Sonnyboo Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C281FF.7A8D0120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C281FF.7A8D0120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear 7M, For some unknown reason my movies PASS THE SALT and MINIVAN got dropped = from www.undergroundfilm.com and www.movieflix.com=20 Even though there was a mass mailing of VHS tapes of several 7M movies = to sites such as these from 7M Pictures, the sites claim they were sent = unauthorized...=20 Strange. Undergroundfilm.com even said what was most odd was the a man = named John Mader contacted them & said the movies were not authorized, = but their records show that John Mader submitted "Minivan" himself.=20 It is unprofessional to not tell the writer/director about changes being = made to their movie and removal from a site. I'm sure there is a good = business reason (athough I am at a loss trying to figure one out). I = don't think this is the kind of treatment you want to give to other = filmmakers who have helped you along the way. Can someone please explain this to me ? Please inform me of what = possible business reason you have to make the effort to have movies = removed from these web sites. I would have thought since you have so = much going on that there are better uses of your time.=20 Did it just slip the collective mind of 7(M) to not tell me you were = yanking my movies from these sites ? Was there some special business = reason not telling me somehow profits the company ? Was it another = clerical error ? Were any of the actors made aware (outside of 7M) ?=20 What precisely did I do that warrants having my movies pulled from web = sites without any notice ? There was no reason for things to have gone = so far wrong. I find it odd you hass resorted to being completely = unprofessional and obviously petty. I'm sure the time & effort put forth = in getting MINIVAN and PASS THE SALT removed from those websites could = have been better spent doing something constructive.=20 Good luck in San Diego,=20 - Peter John Ross S O N N Y B O O P R O D U C T I O N S www.sonnyboo.com P.S. Ever consider a name change to the company ? Since there are only 5 = people, the "7" doesn't make much sense. Combine that with the = "Malcontinents" name I suggested, that came from an audition (New World) = where none of you were present, it seems a bit ludicrous to keep that = name. Since your main source of income is from a suggestion of doing TV = commercials and corporate gigs from an email sent by me to all of 7M in = August 2001 (see below, in case you forgot), maybe you should keep the = name I came up with. Your single "audience award" came from Ghost = Reader, which I had to ask Kelly if I could screen it at the film fest = at a 7M meeting in November 2001 becasue she had not submitted it. Hard = as you try, you cannot erase my imprint on 7M Pictures. -----Original Message----- From: PETER JOHN ROSS [mailto:pross3@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:58 AM To: JWESTM@aol.com; kevin@silvergecko.net; kellycarr7m@yahoo.com; leveck_e_commerce@yahoo.com; thelittlejohns@msn.com; David Hall Subject: money $ making proposal The Mini Ad Agency Upon finding out costs of air time for 30 second commercial spots (with cable & local channels) If the costs are too high for air time, we should not do this. The point is to offer a deal at a lower rate than = anyone else and allow people who normally wouldn't consider TV advertising = because of the illusion it costs too much to do. --------------------------------------- prepare kits for prospective clients PAPER : 1. PROPOSALS - why you can afford to get a TV commercial done through us 2. Who 7(M) is (resumes) 3. Rates 4. What we offer * VIDEO : Demo spots(like the Shovel, or bits from other pieces)/CFC commercials = (ours only, and only the best ones)/spec commercials (like Bounty) ----------------------------------------- * we offer 3 commercial CONCEPTS for the price (including the written = script for each) After they select a script, they can then give us notes on what they = want to change (this isn't OUR project, it's the clients) Upon script approval, we get a greenlight to shoot it. Bare in mind, we might be doing these 3 concepts on spec before they = commit to giving us a dime. --------------------------------------- We shoot DV (obviously) and then we present the rought cut to the = client. Our contracts should state clearly that after script approval, they only = get one set of REVISIONS for free & that all changes after revisions cost = $$$$. They cannot request dialogue changes because they approved the script, = so any reshoots because they are unhappy with the script AFTER they have approved it are considered REVISIONS they have to pay for. The only revisions they can get AFTER the rough cut are TEXT changes, Graphic changes, and EDIT changes. Everything else costs $$$. The uniqueness of this (that will appeal to the kind of clients we are seeking) is that we not only give them a VHS of final commercial, but WE book the airtime for them & take care of ALL that stuff. We can get the BetaSP tapes dubbed & then delivered to the TV stations FOR THEM, so = they aren't bothered with the hassle. We can even have a surcharge if they = want to own the final Beta Master. --------------------------------------- The kind of clients we are looking for are the mom & pop stores that are = NOT linked to a national chain, can benefit from TV exposure, and have the = $$$ to spend on advertising. Dave Hall suggested small car lots, and that is EXACTLY the kind of businesss we want. They can sell 1 or 2 cars & afford to advertise with = us. --------------------------------------- Our costs ? - Time, blank tapes, actors that may not be on our board of directors, and the single thing that costs a lot - AIR TIME. We stand to make around $1,000 profit per commercial, simultaneously = making a product that furthers our own endeavors as FILMMAKERS, increases our visibility in the community, legitimaizes us with a profitable product, introduces us to POTENTIAL INVESTORS, and most importantly to me, keeps = us in the creative arena rather than hocking blood & sperm, which we can = still do later for publicity. If we do this for 6 months, we can get a rather nice nest egg of cash = for 7M. If we get all of 5-10 clients, and hammer these out inside of 3 = months, we can do the score offering. --------------------------------------- Any detractors ? Any comments ? Put this on the top of the list for the next Coven agenda. (and as soon as we get an Email from Glen, forward this on because he = didn't even get to hear about this last night). ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C281FF.7A8D0120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear = 7M,
 
For some unknown = reason my=20 movies PASS THE SALT and MINIVAN got dropped from www.undergroundfilm.com and www.movieflix.com

Even though there was a mass mailing of VHS tapes = of several=20 7M movies to sites such as these from 7M Pictures, the sites claim they = were=20 sent unauthorized...

Strange. Undergroundfilm.com even said what = was=20 most odd was the a man named John Mader contacted them & said the = movies=20 were not authorized, but their records show that John Mader submitted = "Minivan"=20 himself. 

It is unprofessional to not tell the = writer/director=20 about changes being made to their movie and removal from a site. I'm = sure there=20 is a good business reason (athough I am at a loss trying to figure one = out). I=20 don't think this is the kind of treatment you want to give to other = filmmakers=20 who have helped you along the way.
 
Can someone please = explain this to=20 me ? Please inform me of what possible business reason you have to make = the=20 effort to have movies removed from these web sites.  I would have = thought=20 since you have so much going on that there are better uses of your time. =
 
Did it just slip the = collective mind=20 of 7(M) to not tell me you were yanking my movies from these sites ? Was = there=20 some special business reason not telling me somehow profits the company = ? Was it=20 another clerical error ? Were any of the actors made aware (outside of = 7M) ?=20
 
What precisely did I do that warrants having my = movies=20 pulled from web sites without any notice ? There was no reason for = things to=20 have gone so far wrong.  I find it odd you hass resorted to being=20 completely unprofessional and obviously petty. I'm sure the time & = effort=20 put forth in getting MINIVAN and PASS THE SALT removed from those = websites could=20 have been better spent doing something = constructive. 
 
 
Good luck in San Diego,
- Peter John Ross
 
S O N N Y B O O     P R O D = U C T I O=20 N S
www.sonnyboo.com
 
 
P.S. Ever consider a = name change to=20 the company ? Since there are only 5 people, the "7" doesn't make much = sense.=20 Combine that with the "Malcontinents" name I suggested, that came from = an=20 audition (New World) where none of you were present, it = seems a=20 bit ludicrous to keep that name. Since your main source of = income is=20 from a suggestion of doing TV commercials and corporate gigs from an = email sent=20 by me to all of 7M in August 2001 (see below, in case you = forgot), maybe=20 you should keep the name I came up with.  Your single "audience = award" came=20 from Ghost Reader, which I had to ask Kelly if I could screen it at = the=20 film fest at a 7M meeting in November 2001 becasue she had not submitted = it.=20 Hard as you try, you cannot erase my imprint on 7M = Pictures.
 
 
 
 
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: PETER JOHN ROSS = [mailto:pross3@columbus.rr.com]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:58 AM
To: JWESTM@aol.com; kevin@silvergecko.net;=20 kellycarr7m@yahoo.com;
leveck_e_commerce@yahoo.com; thelittlejohns@msn.com;=20 David Hall
Subject: money $ making proposal


The Mini Ad=20 Agency

Upon finding out costs of air time for 30 second = commercial=20 spots
(with cable & local channels) If the costs are too high for = air=20 time, we
should not do this. The point is to offer a deal at a lower = rate=20 than anyone
else and allow people who normally wouldn't consider TV=20 advertising because
of the illusion it costs too much to=20 do.

---------------------------------------

prepare kits = for=20 prospective clients

PAPER :
1. PROPOSALS - why you can afford = to get a=20 TV commercial done through us
2. Who 7(M) is (resumes)
3. = Rates
4. What=20 we offer *

VIDEO :
Demo spots(like the Shovel, or bits from = other=20 pieces)/CFC commercials (ours
only, and only the best ones)/spec = commercials=20 (like = Bounty)


-----------------------------------------

* we = offer 3 commercial CONCEPTS for the price (including the written = script
for=20 each)
After they select a script, they can then give us notes on what = they=20 want to
change (this isn't OUR project, it's the clients)

Upon = script=20 approval, we get a greenlight to shoot it.

Bare in mind, we might = be=20 doing these 3 concepts on spec before they commit
to giving us a=20 dime.

---------------------------------------

We shoot DV=20 (obviously) and then we present the rought cut to the client.

Our = contracts should state clearly that after script approval, they only = get
one=20 set of REVISIONS for free & that all changes after revisions cost=20 $$$$.
They cannot request dialogue changes because they approved the = script,=20 so
any reshoots because they are unhappy with the script AFTER they=20 have
approved it are considered REVISIONS they have to pay = for.

The=20 only revisions they can get AFTER the rough cut are TEXT = changes,
Graphic=20 changes, and EDIT changes. Everything else costs $$$.

The = uniqueness of=20 this (that will appeal to the kind of clients we are
seeking) is that = we not=20 only give them a VHS of final commercial, but WE
book the airtime for = them=20 & take care of ALL that stuff. We can get the
BetaSP tapes dubbed = &=20 then delivered to the TV stations FOR THEM, so they
aren't bothered = with the=20 hassle. We can even have a surcharge if they want
to own the final = Beta=20 Master.

---------------------------------------

The kind = of=20 clients we are looking for are the mom & pop stores that are = NOT
linked=20 to a national chain, can benefit from TV exposure, and have the = $$$
to spend=20 on advertising.

Dave Hall suggested small car lots, and that is = EXACTLY=20 the kind of
businesss we want. They can sell 1 or 2 cars & afford = to=20 advertise with = us.

---------------------------------------

Our=20 costs ? - Time, blank tapes, actors that may not be on our board=20 of
directors, and the single thing that costs a lot - AIR = TIME.

We=20 stand to make around $1,000 profit per commercial, simultaneously = making
a=20 product that furthers our own endeavors as FILMMAKERS, increases=20 our
visibility in the community, legitimaizes us with a profitable=20 product,
introduces us to POTENTIAL INVESTORS, and most importantly = to me,=20 keeps us
in the creative arena rather than hocking blood & sperm, = which=20 we can still
do later for publicity.

If we do this for 6 = months, we=20 can get a rather nice nest egg of cash for
7M. If we get all of 5-10 = clients,=20 and hammer these out inside of 3 months,
we can do the score=20 offering.


---------------------------------------

Any=20 detractors ? Any comments ?

Put this on the top of the list for = the next=20 Coven agenda.

(and as soon as we get an Email from Glen, forward = this on=20 because he didn't
even get to hear about this last=20 night).




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